Curse

master chief matt · May 09, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Snowman

oh right, in that case your not playing the whole game in the first place!

If you refuse to play all of the game, then you cant really complain about not having access to all of it.

sorry, I agree with Gaile on this one, they are Elite missions for Elite players who get involved with everything the game has to offer...

Alliance battles and even those Faction battles (Fort Aspen etc) require skill to win consistently, as opposed to grinding the one or two repeatable missions.

My point is that to win these places does require alot of skill which justifies them being call 'Elite' as opposed to the 'grind' or 'farming' words being used to describe it in this thread.

you dont get it, they are grinding and farming for faction, and thats straight from the black blades members that ive talked to, they do the supply runs over and over again because it takes no skill. now, there might be a few that get their faction by playing pvp/competative missions and such. now, i think we have all atleast tried the competative missions. but not all of us have the time to farm 10k faction each day, nor do we have the patience. it gets repeatative doing those missions over again, and it is a pain in the arse waiting in fort aspenwood for people to show up on the kurzic side, same for jade quarry.

master chief matt · May 09, 2006, 02:59 PM // 14:59

my bad, had a "database error with site, posted my last post multiple times from hitting refresh half a dozen times

Sir_BlackJack · May 09, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

The only thing which is really interessting at the moment is ranting about elite missions. Why?

Because there is nothing else to do.

Also something which I can't understand is the kindergarden mentality.

This is my playground get off it!

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PS: ELITE MISSON = Monopoly Mission

ALLIANCE = Farming Machine

aqualls · May 09, 2006, 04:23 PM // 16:23

The core issue here is not about PvP, PVE, or Farming. The core issue is Discrimiation against people. Look through history and you will see that every "Elite" group has discrimiated agaist others, in one way or another, that didn't meet up with their criteria. In this case the criteria is to gain large amounts of faction in a short time reguardless of how it is gathered. the problem was created by the developers with a poorly thought out implementation. People with limited amounts of free time cannot aquire the amounts of faction necessary so they are constantly denied access. They are not necessarily casual gamers but have real world obligations to meet. Example: Jobs, Family, School, etc. They are just as skilled as other players. Just saying that because a person doesn't spend X amount of time on the game means that they are casual players is a form of discrimination. A definition of discrimination is "Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit." (www.dictionary.com). The current implementation discriminates players who don't have a lot of free time. Also, it allows guilds (aka players) to set up access criteria for the Elite missions that is discriminatory. Players should not control who has access to content.

I agree that people should be rewarded for skill. I don't agree that people should be rewarded for lots of work. Manual labor is hard work but doesn't require much skill and is therefore paid less. Skilled labor like programming or engineering are paid more but because their jobs require significantly more skill. Farming requires no real skill at least PvP and mission completion with in a time limit requires skill on the part of most of the players in a group.

Owning a one of the cities should be a reward for success in the elite missions not the means of accessing the Elite missions. There should be requirements to access the Elite missions but they should be open to everybody. A tiered set of challenges of increasing difficulty leading up to the elite mission requiring the completion of each to get to the elite missions would be a much more appropriate method to access the Elite missions. There could be both PvP and PvE paths to get there. This would promote aquiring more skill at the game and having groups that play well together (aka guilds) and thus reward those who succeed not a mob of people who farm faction in one way or another.

LucasAshrock · May 09, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Heheheh! Maybe u don't remember this is a kid game..

We are only a few adult

U're talking about an army like a general with 12y kids lol

Stockholm · May 09, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

First of all there is no elite player's or pro players(Proffesional's make money= not allowed to make money of GW)
There is normal player's( playing for entertainment) and then there is ppl that has GW as there life, but that does not make them Elite, maybe the best HoH Guild's should be allowed to call them selfs Elite but not some faction farmers.

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Originally Posted by LucasAshrock

They recruit random for have more points and find real pro like me or others like me for their drop (don't worry i'm in a guild more better than them).

Have fun with factions.Trust me.

(P.S. zodiac weapons are awesome) (P.P.S. U have degen every 2 step too hard for normal players)

real pro? so you are one of those farmers that that make money from GW?
Too hard for normal players? Do you meen ppl with lives, ppl that have to work.

This is not a PRO game this is for entertainment, and grinding factions is NOT entertainig. And if I would chose to try elite missions when I have reached the end of the storyline I should have that choise just as I have the choise of going to UW or FoW, no matter how hard it is, I SHOULD HAVE THE CHOISE.

And I if you thought Farming Bot's where bad in GWP just wait until the Faction(not gold or weapons, FACTIONS) Farming bot's start. LOL

Sir_BlackJack · May 09, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by aqualls

The core issue is Discrimiation against people.

The current implementation discriminates players who don't have a lot of free time. Also, it allows guilds (aka players) to set up access criteria for the Elite missions that is discriminatory. Players should not control who has access to content.

Owning a one of the cities should be a reward for success in the elite missions not the means of accessing the Elite missions. There should be requirements to access the Elite missions but they should be open to everybody.

Well spoken. The arguement "The elite missions are a reward for exceptional accomplishment.." is not satisfactory to me.

It is like controlling the entrance to a club. The people you like you let in,the ones you don't like can't get in.

Btw. did the same dev. team make chapter 2 which made chapter 1? I do not hope that this is the case.

UndeadRoadkill · May 09, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by master chief matt

people like you need to grow up. a guild, back in the era of knights, kings and kingdoms, was a group of men, under the same rule, with a common leader, that had all lived together in the same area, knew eachother well and worked better together than any comparable group from the land.

Matt, you misunderstand me. I agree with you completely. I was only repeating the gist of what Gaile Gray herself said in yesterday's chatlog.

LoKi Foxfire · May 09, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

To all the people who whine about doing Elite missions, go out and form your own alliance then farm faction. Until then, you have no right to complain about a mission you guys are too lazy to work for. We work hard to keep Cavalon under control and it shouldn't be something that every single random person in the world to have control of.

Hell, I farmed 250k Luxon faction in 2 days... so. :P

Stockholm · May 09, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

It's Guild WARS not Guild Farming

Riceboi · May 09, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

There is normal player's( playing for entertainment) and then there is ppl that has GW as there life, but that does not make them Elite, maybe the best HoH Guild's should be allowed to call them selfs Elite but not some faction farmers.

LOL

Bravo! This man for president! hehe TRUTH!!!!

Sir_BlackJack · May 09, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by LoKi Foxfire

To all the people who whine about doing Elite missions, go out and form your own alliance then farm faction. Until then, you have no right to complain about a mission you guys are too lazy to work for. We work hard to keep Cavalon under control and it shouldn't be something that every single random person in the world to have control of.

Hell, I farmed 250k Luxon faction in 2 days... so. :P

I'm glad you have so much time. I don't.

Lazy? Work hard?

/doh

UndeadRoadkill · May 09, 2006, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by LoKi Foxfire

To all the people who whine about doing Elite missions, go out and form your own alliance then farm faction. Until then, you have no right to complain about a mission you guys are too lazy to work for. We work hard to keep Cavalon under control and it shouldn't be something that every single random person in the world to have control of.

Hell, I farmed 250k Luxon faction in 2 days... so. :P

Many, many, peope have been having fun just playing in small guilds with people they know personally. Now we have to sacrifice the style of play we enjoy if we want all the content we paid for. If I liked being in a huge guild, I would have been in one before Factions even came out.

master chief matt · May 09, 2006, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by LoKi Foxfire

To all the people who whine about doing Elite missions, go out and form your own alliance then farm faction. Until then, you have no right to complain about a mission you guys are too lazy to work for. We work hard to keep Cavalon under control and it shouldn't be something that every single random person in the world to have control of.

Hell, I farmed 250k Luxon faction in 2 days... so. :P

you just stated yourself what we have all been saying, farming faction is not hard, it does not make you elite, just means you stayed up for 7 days straight to get as much farming done as possible. have you seen any of us say we want elite missions open to everyone right off the bat? NO. we are saying the exact opposite, we want them closed off, but we also want everyone to have a chance to get to them, that includes the people that play all day long with out sleep and the casual parent that gets to play for 2 hours a night after they get home from work,make dinner, spend time with their kids and sit down in front of the computer to wind down

master chief matt · May 09, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Do you know what Gaile's response to you and your guild is, scam? "Go red engine yourself, you don't deserve to have access because you don't want a max-sized guild."

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Originally Posted by master chief matt

Originally Posted by master chief matt
people like you need to grow up. a guild, back in the era of knights, kings and kingdoms, was a group of men, under the same rule, with a common leader, that had all lived together in the same area, knew eachother well and worked better together than any comparable group from the land.

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Matt, you misunderstand me. I agree with you completely. I was only repeating the gist of what Gaile Gray herself said in yesterday's chatlog.

ok, posted that little back and forth so people dont need to search for each part.

i appologize if i insulted you, i did not know that she said that, i thought you were saying it

I cannot beleive that she said that. gaile needs to grow the **** up. this game is about fun, not discriminating against those of us that like our small guilds. if she is going to insult us for not having a maxed out guild then i say to hell with her. If this is what Gaile Gray thinks about her clients, and essentialy her bosses, seing as our 50$ apeice pays her bills, then i am at a loss for words, that is just down right dispicable.

Traveller · May 09, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Well, obviously it's not the EXACT thing she said, but she was in favor of the current system and that farming loads of faction = elite.

Pandora's box · May 09, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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From the official Guild Wars website, game details: Guild wars .... and yet does not require players to spend hundreds of hours slogging through the preparation just to get to the fun bits.

Who was telling players have to 'work' for it again?

master chief matt · May 09, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Traveller

Well, obviously it's not the EXACT thing she said, but she was in favor of the current system and that farming loads of faction = elite.

ok, well i still feel the same way about her if she looks down on people for not farming massive amounts of faction. and if she feels that farming for faction=elite status, then this confirms my suspicions that anet and gw programers dont even play their own games. this would explain all the bugs and why they are never fixed.

so, just for all of you who thought you were good at this game, to those guilds that have been in the top 3 for months, and the guilds that constantly win in hoh, necros that solo fow, and the 2-person teams in uw, you are nothing but regular players. you are far from elite players because you do not spend all of your time farming. because lets look at this for all it is, its farming, whether it be for drops, gold, or faction points. even when i had my first char in pre i farmed for gold and dops to get better weapons, does that mean that my pre warrior was an elite warrior?

Mister Muhkuh · May 09, 2006, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by Scary Raebbit

Farming hardcore makes you elite? I guess that skills don't really matter if you're using the same build to get faction over and over again...

thats somethign anet should think about...

skill is not required to enter elite mission...
only the time spent to gain faction...
and thats what GW is not supposed to be...
anet seems to have forgotten "skill is all that counts"....

master chief matt · May 09, 2006, 09:00 PM // 21:00

From the official Guild Wars website, game details: Guild wars .... and yet does not require players to spend hundreds of hours slogging through the preparation just to get to the fun bits.

wow, and then gaile has the audacity to turn around and make is so we have to slogg our way through farming for faction to get to the elite parts of the game.

looks like someone doesnt know how to make a stand on a decision